And Still more comments from and about Nice Guys...
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:40:41 EST
IF NICE GUYS FINISH LAST, NICE GIRLS NEVER FINISH AT ALL
By the one and only, TK
I've never met a "nice guy", and I don't think I ever will.
To be honest, as a nice female, I'm sick of reading about how these "nice
guys" complain that the asshole always gets the girl. Sure, the asshole
always gets the bitchy, slutty, stupid, but none-the-less hot, girl. And
that's all the "nice guy" wants too.
In fact, I don't get what's so nice
about this "nice guy." Just because he is willing to "listen" to the
girl go on and on about her asshole boyfriend doesn't quite make him a
"nice guy". But he thinks that since he puts up with her blabbing and
complaining and stupidity, he is a nice guy. No. He is just plain
stupid. Of course then he goes home and wacks off to some over-waxed
chick on his computer screen. Real nice.
Of course, this "nice" guy is a
complete liar just like the asshole. He isn't nice, he is just more
manipulative. He is willing to hold out longer and play more games for
the chick with the biggest breasts and the smallest brains, and this is
probably because he isn't as hot as the asshole, and/or has a smaller
dick, and knows he needs to work harder. However, both the asshole and
the "nice guy" in pursuit for cock-sucking set of breasts have missed a
precious commidity: the nice girl.
Sure, she doesn't wear clothes that
overtly "flatter" her expansive bustline, and her tanned ass isn't
peeking out from beneath a mini-skirt a la Paris Hilton style, but she
is smart, doesn't date assholes for you to listen about, and she'll
probably enjoy hearing about how the Red Sox beat the Yankees, because
she respects you and your interests. And that's what she is all about,
respect. She doesn't go around gossiping about how large (or small) your
dick is, and she expects you to not say anything about her
"un-brazilian" nether regions. But no guy, not even the "nice guy" would
get close enough to a nice girl to know about her nether regions. In his
mind, since she won't hook-up with other women, spend 40 dollars to wax
off some hair, and sit back when he talks about how inferior women are
to men, she might as well not even bother existing, let alone have
While the "nice guy" is pining away about how the bitchy
girl won't leave her asshole boy for him, the nice girl is distracting
herself from her utter lack of sex-appeal by being nice to everyone,
getting good grades, and babysitting on saturday nights, hoping that
some guy will fall in love with her not because she can blow two guys at
once, but because she respects herself and everyone else. But everyone
knows the nice girl is just dreaming. "Nice guys" and assholes alike
want the same thing in every woman, and because the nice girl doesn't
live up to their "Brittney Spears" expectancies, she is left out in the
cold. As a nice girl, I could puke every time I hear about how guys
think so and so is so hot, and how her tits are perfect, and her ass
beats J-Lo's. Because, I mean, that's all women are really, even to
those elusive nice guys.
Nice girls, whether you believe it or not, have
boobs, with an excellent figure and a pretty face, along with being
relatively to extremely smart. Sure, the boobs aren't silicon-esque
huge, and the hips don't come close to narrow, and Carmen Electra could
would laugh openly to the face of nice girl in a beauty contest, but
that doesn't mean nice girls should be declared unfit for society's
beauty standards. These nice guys are so caught up in finding their
stupid, barbie-doll, emaciated, porn-queen, that they forget all about
nice girls. Nice girls are the ones who make you laugh with our subtle
sense of humor, the ones you could bring home to mom, the ones you can't
call a slut, and the ones who catch your eye when we dress nicely, even
though you won't admit it. But yeah, we know what an erection is, and we
know that putting on a mini-skirt will perk up both heads on a man.
you know, these "nice guys" talk about how much personality matters.
What an asshole-like lie. Don't tell me I can't be your girlfriend
because we just wouldn't be "right for each other." Even a nice girl
knows it's because she won't have a threesome and you don't feel like
convinicing her to try it. He knows there will be no drunken sex either,
and even a "nice guy" desires this as part of his "nice" relationship
with a girl. If having a great personality makes you hot, consider me
Pamela Anderson. The truth is, behind every nice girl, is a hot, sexy,
playful, sex-kitten. Sure, you knew all along the only way you were
going to get into the nice girl's waist-high pants was by actually being
the smart, funny, nice guy you could be, and not by pretending to
listen, buying dozens of roses, and writing pathetic poetry from the
inside of a hallmark card. But if these so-called nice guys would desire
something more than a hairless porn-star with great cooking skills,
getting into a nice girl's pants would seem like a dream-come-true, and
they would work their horny little asses off to do it. However, even the
nice guys are ultimately assholes, maybe just more ambitious ones, and
while a nice guy believes he is finishing last, he has left the nice
girl in the dust, who will never finish at all... unless she buys
herself a vibrator.
Subject: Nice Guys, heh...
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:24:55 -0500
Hey, Nice Guys can be an insult too. It's a thing that some guys dread to
"Oh you're such a nice guy!"
Then you reply that you aren't a nice guy.
"But you are a nice guy!"
It's annoying as hell.
Hearing it makes the masculine part of a guy feel like he's falling down
twitching in pain.
Just my .02 cents.....found your page via looking for a book called "Growing
a Spine for Dummies."
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:55 -0500
Subject: Male Flame form : Rob B
From: RNexus@Hotmail.com (This is real)
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
(RNexus@Hotmail.com (This is real)) on Saturday, March 6, 2004 at 19:55:36
Name: Rob B
COMMENTS: I have carefully reviewed you website, and I am impressed with
your psychological analysis of the interaction between the sexes.
However, it should be known that everyone has problems at some point in
their lives. People are not idiiots for being, insecure, for feeling
depressed, for becomeing angry at the opposite sex when frustrated.
Allof these negative and self defeating responses are well documented in
Of particualr relevance I believe is
Seligman's Learned Helplessness Theory. People and animals for that
matter begin to whine and act passive when exposed to continuous
rejection or noncontingency (no relationship between action and
reinforcement) . The "Nice Guys" in particular probably suffer from
either learned Helplessness or Avoidant personality Disorder/Generalized
Social Phobia/unipolar depression.
Even peope who do not suffer from
psychological problems will experience problems. Relationships are
seldom easy or perfect and to suggest that they could be otherwise is
I do like your sense of objectivity. However, you do not
seem to have an agenda You claim that you do not want to help anyone,
that your site is not designed to do this. Though it may be humorous to
you and all of the hearless bitches on this site, I do beleive that
using your insight and intellect to help those who have suffered real
problems instead of berating them for your own amusement, would make
your website not only intelligent, and humorous, but it would also make
Another problem I have with this site is that you seem to reject romance
and the concept of true love.
If you beleive that that the desire for
closeness and intmancy indicates only co-dependency or sexual
frustration, then I am sorry to disabise you, but many people want to
find happiness through intimate relationships. This drive does not mean
that they are weak, but have strong feelings and desires. No matter how
much you would like to deny this, loving someone and being loved by
someone else is pleasurable and greatly desired by a significant
majority of the population, myself included. Ranting will not decrease
this desire and neither will berating how stupid everyone is. Stop the
name calling and maybe you will use you insight for a practical purpose.
Thankyou for hearing me out
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 08:01 -0500
Subject: Male Flame form : duncan
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
() on Sunday, March 7, 2004 at 08:01:26
COMMENTS: I think you are all absolutely hilarious, and that guy who
Natalie (i think?) tore apart through the emails was a complete idiot. I
am from australia, im a young bloke, i am pretty much an average guy in
practically all ways and what i have to say is that you are correct in
your assumptions about a large amount of the guys (and girls) out there,
and your way of dealing with that is very funny. I personally know many
nice guys who are constantly whinging about their state of affairs and
make no attempt to change whats happening in their lives. Im a
reasonably nice person, i don't try to be an arsehole to most people but
sometimes its just impossible when faced with imbeciles.
I wrote all that? haha, all i had planned to say was that the site is
hilarious, keep going!
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:16:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Dawson
Subject: One more book from a former Nice Guy
The "Tell us about more books" link wasn't working so you're getting an email.
As a former Nice Guy, I'm very entertained and enlightened by your "Nice
Guys Bleah" page. I can tell you from experience that living life that
way isn't a happy or fulfilling life. "Success" in life always seemed
just out of my grasp and I never had the balls to be straight with a
woman (with predictable results). How can I now call myself a "former"
Nice Guy? Well, I'll always be a work in progress but the progress I've
made has been because of a lot of psychological work I've done for
myself that all started with the book "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert
Glover. It's not politically correct but neither is this site.
Every Nice Guy (and every woman who cares about one) needs to read this
book. A good definition of mental health is the ability to deal with
reality on reality's terms. As the page on Mysogyny explains, Nice Guys
aren't living in reality. As good as this book is, I've noticed that
most Nice Guys aren't ready to be unplugged from The Matrix and
therefore won't even read the book if you buy it for him and will
discount it's importance if he does. I've done so for several friends &
family members and have since given up trying. There are exceptions,
though, so it's worth a shot.
I've heard good reports back from women about it too and it's an easy
175 pages. It was definately written for men but it seems like most of
it applies to both sexes (for those Nice Girls out there). For more
info, check out the author's website at: www.nomoremrniceguy.com.
I would have been predictably defensive a year ago but, now that I'm on
this side of the fence, I can enjoy much of what you've posted in your
site because of it's brutal honesty. I no longer have time for anything
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:38:17 -0800
seriously needs to come down! My best friend read it & now she thinks
I'm nice to her only to make myself feel better - not because I actually
care about her - and feels justified in "making friends" with voyeurs &
perverts. Have you ever stopped a moment to wonder how many depressed,
suicidal people you've killed or lives destroyed in this clueless,