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Nice Guys = BLEAH!
Nice Guys we can do without

And Still more comments from and about Nice Guys...

[Here's some SOUR GRAPES from the other side of the fence. Here you have the whiny "Nice Girl".]

Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:40:41 EST


By the one and only, TK

I've never met a "nice guy", and I don't think I ever will.

To be honest, as a nice female, I'm sick of reading about how these "nice guys" complain that the asshole always gets the girl. Sure, the asshole always gets the bitchy, slutty, stupid, but none-the-less hot, girl. And that's all the "nice guy" wants too.

In fact, I don't get what's so nice about this "nice guy." Just because he is willing to "listen" to the girl go on and on about her asshole boyfriend doesn't quite make him a "nice guy". But he thinks that since he puts up with her blabbing and complaining and stupidity, he is a nice guy. No. He is just plain stupid. Of course then he goes home and wacks off to some over-waxed chick on his computer screen. Real nice.

Of course, this "nice" guy is a complete liar just like the asshole. He isn't nice, he is just more manipulative. He is willing to hold out longer and play more games for the chick with the biggest breasts and the smallest brains, and this is probably because he isn't as hot as the asshole, and/or has a smaller dick, and knows he needs to work harder. However, both the asshole and the "nice guy" in pursuit for cock-sucking set of breasts have missed a precious commidity: the nice girl.

Sure, she doesn't wear clothes that overtly "flatter" her expansive bustline, and her tanned ass isn't peeking out from beneath a mini-skirt a la Paris Hilton style, but she is smart, doesn't date assholes for you to listen about, and she'll probably enjoy hearing about how the Red Sox beat the Yankees, because she respects you and your interests. And that's what she is all about, respect. She doesn't go around gossiping about how large (or small) your dick is, and she expects you to not say anything about her "un-brazilian" nether regions. But no guy, not even the "nice guy" would get close enough to a nice girl to know about her nether regions. In his mind, since she won't hook-up with other women, spend 40 dollars to wax off some hair, and sit back when he talks about how inferior women are to men, she might as well not even bother existing, let alone have nether regions.

While the "nice guy" is pining away about how the bitchy girl won't leave her asshole boy for him, the nice girl is distracting herself from her utter lack of sex-appeal by being nice to everyone, getting good grades, and babysitting on saturday nights, hoping that some guy will fall in love with her not because she can blow two guys at once, but because she respects herself and everyone else. But everyone knows the nice girl is just dreaming. "Nice guys" and assholes alike want the same thing in every woman, and because the nice girl doesn't live up to their "Brittney Spears" expectancies, she is left out in the cold. As a nice girl, I could puke every time I hear about how guys think so and so is so hot, and how her tits are perfect, and her ass beats J-Lo's. Because, I mean, that's all women are really, even to those elusive nice guys.

Nice girls, whether you believe it or not, have boobs, with an excellent figure and a pretty face, along with being relatively to extremely smart. Sure, the boobs aren't silicon-esque huge, and the hips don't come close to narrow, and Carmen Electra could would laugh openly to the face of nice girl in a beauty contest, but that doesn't mean nice girls should be declared unfit for society's beauty standards. These nice guys are so caught up in finding their stupid, barbie-doll, emaciated, porn-queen, that they forget all about nice girls. Nice girls are the ones who make you laugh with our subtle sense of humor, the ones you could bring home to mom, the ones you can't call a slut, and the ones who catch your eye when we dress nicely, even though you won't admit it. But yeah, we know what an erection is, and we know that putting on a mini-skirt will perk up both heads on a man.

And you know, these "nice guys" talk about how much personality matters. What an asshole-like lie. Don't tell me I can't be your girlfriend because we just wouldn't be "right for each other." Even a nice girl knows it's because she won't have a threesome and you don't feel like convinicing her to try it. He knows there will be no drunken sex either, and even a "nice guy" desires this as part of his "nice" relationship with a girl. If having a great personality makes you hot, consider me Pamela Anderson. The truth is, behind every nice girl, is a hot, sexy, playful, sex-kitten. Sure, you knew all along the only way you were going to get into the nice girl's waist-high pants was by actually being the smart, funny, nice guy you could be, and not by pretending to listen, buying dozens of roses, and writing pathetic poetry from the inside of a hallmark card. But if these so-called nice guys would desire something more than a hairless porn-star with great cooking skills, getting into a nice girl's pants would seem like a dream-come-true, and they would work their horny little asses off to do it. However, even the nice guys are ultimately assholes, maybe just more ambitious ones, and while a nice guy believes he is finishing last, he has left the nice girl in the dust, who will never finish at all... unless she buys herself a vibrator.

From: ">"
Subject: Nice Guys, heh...
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:24:55 -0500

Hey, Nice Guys can be an insult too. It's a thing that some guys dread to hear.

"Oh you're such a nice guy!"

Then you reply that you aren't a nice guy.

"But you are a nice guy!"

It's annoying as hell.

Hearing it makes the masculine part of a guy feel like he's falling down twitching in pain.

Just my .02 cents.....found your page via looking for a book called "Growing a Spine for Dummies."

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:55 -0500
Subject: Male Flame form : Rob B
From: (This is real)

Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
( (This is real)) on Saturday, March 6, 2004 at 19:55:36

Name: Rob B

COMMENTS: I have carefully reviewed you website, and I am impressed with your psychological analysis of the interaction between the sexes. However, it should be known that everyone has problems at some point in their lives. People are not idiiots for being, insecure, for feeling depressed, for becomeing angry at the opposite sex when frustrated. Allof these negative and self defeating responses are well documented in psychological journanals.

[Just because a behavior is documented doesn't mean it is OK, or justifiable. And self-defeating behavior is just plain stupid no matter HOW you try to rationalize it.]

Of particualr relevance I believe is Seligman's Learned Helplessness Theory. People and animals for that matter begin to whine and act passive when exposed to continuous rejection or noncontingency (no relationship between action and reinforcement) . The "Nice Guys" in particular probably suffer from either learned Helplessness or Avoidant personality Disorder/Generalized Social Phobia/unipolar depression.

[So? We refuse to pander to it and/or reinforce that LEARNED behavior.]

Even peope who do not suffer from psychological problems will experience problems. Relationships are seldom easy or perfect and to suggest that they could be otherwise is not realistic.

[Why the pedantry? Who on this site EVER suggested relationships are/should be easy?]

I do like your sense of objectivity. However, you do not seem to have an agenda You claim that you do not want to help anyone, that your site is not designed to do this. Though it may be humorous to you and all of the hearless bitches on this site, I do beleive that using your insight and intellect to help those who have suffered real problems instead of berating them for your own amusement, would make your website not only intelligent, and humorous, but it would also make it usefull.

[But what's the fun in that? Besides, those who CAN learn DO, and those who can't will whine, complain, and provide fodder for our amusement.]

Another problem I have with this site is that you seem to reject romance and the concept of true love.

[No, we reject cultural conditioning, and the concept of being so caught up in "romance" that rational thought, honesty, and sensibility are thrown out the window. (I.e. women quitting college because their "true love" thinks it takes up too much of their time, etc..)]

If you beleive that that the desire for closeness and intmancy indicates only co-dependency or sexual frustration, then I am sorry to disabise you, but many people want to

[You couldn't "disabise" me if you tried.]

find happiness through intimate relationships. This drive does not mean that they are weak, but have strong feelings and desires. No matter how much you would like to deny this, loving someone and being loved by someone else is pleasurable and greatly desired by a significant majority of the population, myself included. Ranting will not decrease this desire and neither will berating how stupid everyone is. Stop the name calling and maybe you will use you insight for a practical purpose.

[Nowhere on the site do we reject basic human needs or desires. We just poke fun at the ways that people sacrifice and sublimate their own needs because they are so desperate to be "in a relationship", and end up miserable as a result. That, and the "martyrs" who do everything for "the relationship" and then whine continuously about how unappreciated they are.]

Thankyou for hearing me out

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 08:01 -0500
Subject: Male Flame form : duncan

Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
() on Sunday, March 7, 2004 at 08:01:26

Name: duncan

COMMENTS: I think you are all absolutely hilarious, and that guy who Natalie (i think?) tore apart through the emails was a complete idiot. I am from australia, im a young bloke, i am pretty much an average guy in practically all ways and what i have to say is that you are correct in your assumptions about a large amount of the guys (and girls) out there, and your way of dealing with that is very funny. I personally know many nice guys who are constantly whinging about their state of affairs and make no attempt to change whats happening in their lives. Im a reasonably nice person, i don't try to be an arsehole to most people but sometimes its just impossible when faced with imbeciles.

I wrote all that? haha, all i had planned to say was that the site is hilarious, keep going!

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:16:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Dawson
Subject: One more book from a former Nice Guy

The "Tell us about more books" link wasn't working so you're getting an email.

As a former Nice Guy, I'm very entertained and enlightened by your "Nice Guys Bleah" page. I can tell you from experience that living life that way isn't a happy or fulfilling life. "Success" in life always seemed just out of my grasp and I never had the balls to be straight with a woman (with predictable results). How can I now call myself a "former" Nice Guy? Well, I'll always be a work in progress but the progress I've made has been because of a lot of psychological work I've done for myself that all started with the book "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover. It's not politically correct but neither is this site.

Every Nice Guy (and every woman who cares about one) needs to read this book. A good definition of mental health is the ability to deal with reality on reality's terms. As the page on Mysogyny explains, Nice Guys aren't living in reality. As good as this book is, I've noticed that most Nice Guys aren't ready to be unplugged from The Matrix and therefore won't even read the book if you buy it for him and will discount it's importance if he does. I've done so for several friends & family members and have since given up trying. There are exceptions, though, so it's worth a shot.

I've heard good reports back from women about it too and it's an easy 175 pages. It was definately written for men but it seems like most of it applies to both sexes (for those Nice Girls out there). For more info, check out the author's website at:

I would have been predictably defensive a year ago but, now that I'm on this side of the fence, I can enjoy much of what you've posted in your site because of it's brutal honesty. I no longer have time for anything less.


Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:38:17 -0800

This article ( seriously needs to come down! My best friend read it & now she thinks I'm nice to her only to make myself feel better - not because I actually care about her - and feels justified in "making friends" with voyeurs & perverts. Have you ever stopped a moment to wonder how many depressed, suicidal people you've killed or lives destroyed in this clueless, self-serving rant??

[So, are you telling us you were depressed and suicidal BEFORE your "best friend" read the rant? Wow. YOU must be charming to have as a friend! Maybe she was tired of dealing with your depression and just USED the rant as an excuse? Besides, what kind of people do you associate with if they are into "perverts and voyeurs"? Like attracts Like you know. Sounds like BOTH of you are pretty fucked up. Get a life and quit blaming everyone else for why you aren't getting what you want.]

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