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Nice Guys = BLEAH!
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:37:17 -0700
From: "Travis Matlock" <>
Subject: COMMENTS: On "Why nice guys suck"

I think that much of what you say concerning nice guys of the emotionally disturbed type is dead on. However, most women, especially the insecure emotionally disturbed ones I shouldn't give the time of day, DO feel an attraction to your average alpha male "jerk". More self-respecting and mature women ignore it or if they are wise enough no longer are even susceptible to such games.

However, I have many flaws. They are mine and nobody but me is responsible for them, I work to overcome them. Some I think I have moved past. Others still haunt me.

As my flawed self moves thrue the world alone looking for someone to connect with, I see them all around me. The assholes, the guys who hunt women and play the game well, with not a moments remorse or compassion for the women they use. I see them and I see that, although like all of us, they are flawed, at least they aren't alone.

Maybe someday I will overcome my flaws and my issues and find a woman to share lives with.

We can only hope.

In the mean time I'll go on condemning the jerks and the insane women who flock to them.

And you'll still be attracted to those insane women. My heart bleeds. Too bad your flaws stop you from seeing the ones that aren't insane.

I'll try not to cling too much, I know I tend to.

I'm a nice guy, much as you describe us, in all our messed up schizophrenic glory.

At least I'm not an asshole, just alone.

That's a matter of opinion (yours), and you'll still be attracted to those insane women. My heart bleeds.

When your dishing out your welcome brand "medicine" for us maladjusted nice guys, don't forget its still often true. In a country dominated by people with issues, there's more disturbed women who love psycho assholes than you can shake a stick at.

And, unfortunately, just as many disturbed "Nice Guys" wallowing in self-pity.

Thank you for taking the time to read my rants.
Terminally single in Seattle.

If only

Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:36 -0400
Subject: Male Flame form : Tim
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Name: Tim

COMMENTS: Hey Heartless Bitches,

I think that a lot of the things you've got on this site do sort of make sense in a way. However I think you're a bit too harsh at times. The main thing that bothers me is that in some of your articles - particularly a certain cartoon - you seem to assume that a "nice guy" who doesn't get far with a girl is merely using a dating strategy whilst really being an arsehole underneath, and I think this is overly cynical. Some guys just get nervous around girls and don't portray themselves in the best possible light even though, underneath it all, they are decent people. Sure, there are predators out there, but to follow the logic of your cartoon is to be like more than one of my ex-girlfriends and just not give any guy a real chance

I think this is actually a big misunderstanding - people have different definitions of "nice". Your site, for example, seems to define a nice guy as someone who is agreeable and inoffensive, whereas I and many others would describe him as someone with integrity who has good morals and really sticks to them

But of course this is real life. You're not attracted to someone just because you think they're morally good. But at the same time it does feel like a kick in the teeth when you have to hear incessant whinging from your female friends about their arsehole boyfriends when you're still single despite their praise of you. It just doesn't seem to add up. And if we weren't really nice guys, they wouldn't even want to be friends with us. Plus there are a hell of a lot of girls that I know that I don't necessarily fancy but who insist on staying with guys that treat them like crap

I think the truth is that attraction is separate from morality and it cuts both ways. I'm not attracted to women who I don't feel at least some physical attraction to even if they are nice, and likewise some guys just aren't good at getting their good points across to girls. Just don't assume that the unsuccessful "nice guys" of which you speak are really just "jerks in disguise

From: "Geert Oosterhof" <>
Subject: About nice guys
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:07:21 +0000

Why i don't like "nice" girls

This thing swings both ways you heartless bitches.

When I was a little kid, I was real popular with the girls. I was four or five years old and had quite a character, i was pretty tough compared with other kids from my class. Girls used to chase me around wanting to kiss me and hug me, i hated that.

I can imagine why a girl does't want a "nice "guy. Where's the fun in that. I'm very nice myself but i don't give everything immediately when i meet someone. Who needs a person telling every little aspect of there mind at a first meeting, and wants to know all your little flaws and habits.

The mind of a nice guy that the main rant is about is really dualistic. What is the nice guy? He is a guy who wants to own a woman, but also want her to be free. He wants to take care, but she has to be dependant of him. He want something beautiful, but keep it only for himself. He wants to be part of your mindspace, so he can punish you or please you when it suits him best.

Who would want a person becoming a parasite, feeding from your every action, positive or negative. Why not have fun together, accepting eachother, not blowing up every little detail of both personalities. Nice guys need to chill out, and realize their obsession. Like Mithranda said in her part, there's a difference between nice people, and obsessed people. Who doesn't like nice people right?

I've been called asshole sometimes, but i'm a nice guy when i choose to be. I choose to be nice to people who i love. It's a matter of choise.

Greetings from Holland,

I like your website

From: Janarthanan Krishnasamy <>
Subject: kudos
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:42:43 +0800
Dear madams

Makes us sound like Ladies of the Night

This web-ste is brutally awesome!! I am a "nice guy" teen myself and yeah its pretty hard being one. Not that I intentionallly chose to be one, its a kind of crutch, a part of who I am, so its really difficult to change. The comments on the site are strikingly accurate, reflecting very well on the thought processes of these "nice guys" and why they aren't really nice. As a "nice guy" myself ( I'm really trying to change this stupid habit in ) I really support your website and hope that this gets to as many guys ( and as many mothers) as possible. I think true niceness comes from having real strength and power and not lack thereof. You are not nice just because you can't be mean. To humble is not big if you have little to be proud of.

A little sad though, that now males have to learn about being a man from women. But hey, thats better than not learning at all.

Why is it perpetually the job of women to socialize men? It's time for men to stop whining and figuring out how to be MEN and decent human beings on their own.

Wish me luck :)

From: Thanh Tran <>
Subject: COMMENTS - Thanks HB
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:39:11 -0700
Dear Heartless Bitches,

I just want to say thank you for making this website. I don't define myself as a nice guy, but when I read your article on Nice Guys Bleah! I realized why I am such a loser. I started to understand why I attracted certain types of women (users) and why I can't get the decent women. From this article I gained some understanding on the mentality of losers, user and what a bitch really is. There's nothing like stepping out of the dark and hear straight forward and honest opinions, rather than passive aggressive lies or guilt trip statement

Keep up the good work, in a lot of ways your site helps people seeking answers to see the perspective of frustrated women and clueless men

Love to all HB staff and founders

Thanh Tran
Newark, CA

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